Do You Have What It Takes To Be a PMU Artist?

Welcome  to a special episode of the BeautyTainment Podcast, hosted us, Claudia, and Roundy. Today, we're thrilled to explore the fascinating world of Permanent Makeup (PMU) with our team members Vannia and Jatziry from Vanidosa Beauty Studios right here in San Antonio, Texas. Thinking about a career in PMU? This episode is your essential guide. We delve into what it really takes to excel in Powder Brow and Microblading, with personal insights from Vannia and Jatziry on their transitions into becoming PMU artists. I also discuss the crucial role of leadership and the impact of nurturing a supportive team culture within our business. Whether you're already in the beauty industry or considering a new path, this episode will arm you with the knowledge and inspiration to succeed. Join us as we uncover the skills needed to thrive in this artistic and rewarding field. Let's find out together if you have what it takes to be a PMU artist!

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hi everybody welcome back to another episode of BeautyTainment podcast I'm your host Claudia a service you can find me at Vanilosa Beauty on instagrammys and this is my co host Roundy so everybody can find me at Leeboy Savage on Instagram and that's it yeah that's it so today we have um somebody really special our Vanidosa crew our Vanidosa team that makes everything happen we all work as a team so here they are this is Vannia Vannia say hello hi everyone I'm Vannia you can find me at aesthetics x Vannia underscore on Instagram isn't she the cutest and then we have Jatziry hi everyone my name is Yatziry you can find me at Viciousbrows on Instagram and she's fucking killing it guys so I feel like we're all killing it in our perspective area and then I feel like working together is just making us better but I digress of how awesome we are you guys are doing all right I'm killing it though yeah it's all him by the way like we just we just sit down and like you know do do little brows if I step away from the office it all falls apart literally yeah well the other day I did you did this we were all like super busy we're like oh my God people are coming in what's going on where is roundy oh roundy get roundy oh he went to get hang out with his friend oh that's right during working hours guys had a had a had a boys day yes I think so huh yes I hope you had fun I did have fun it was fun you can catch many of those no you don't well now you get a lot my probation officer don't let me yeah well there's things to be done my Parole officer during work hours sir alright guys so we're gonna get to it what is the worst interaction you've had so far haha name names what do they look like when they come how did it make you feel how did it make you feel mine I would say the most recent one um she was just a meannie head she was really mean like why people mean like that yeah like I'm doing you a service I have control of the service and you're coming in with a stinky attitude and first of all like I'm tattooing your fucking face yeah like create a good vibe when you come in no exactly and she totally killed my vibe like it was over for me like she threw me off so bad and I think like the rest of the day you were kind of like yeah it sucked it really sucked yeah and I feel like that's kind of the part that we have to deal with like other people's vibe yes you know like I think um so Vannia has been doing brows for a bit over a year Jatziry four five months or so um I've been doing this shit for 10 years so like I feel like now they it really has to be something really really bad in order to like fuck up my vibe but I think it took a long time to like be able to control myself cause you know I get spicy oh you used to come home and take it out on everybody I like I went home and punched you break the dishes and throwing the table over and beating the kids with wooden spoons we were all hiding in the corner mom had a bad day she had a bad brow day I go to work the next day with the black eye and all the guys like what happened to you bro I like I had a bad day I already tell him I hit myself on the door I fell down the stairs we didn't have but like I don't get it like if you're gonna get a service to me like let's like let us synchronize get to like create good energy you know when you come in and that's one of the things I think people don't think about like if you're nervous we understand nervousness you know it's different yeah I feel like you're really good when you when your clients are nervous you just like talk to them yeah I like to talk to them and I feel like well this one the recent one it was bound to happen yeah that it was already a year like no matter what it was time I don't know what about you what's your worst one so far I mean I haven't had that many I would just say like with the recent lady I did why is it is it recently because like the weather is changing or was it the lunar eclipse or not the lunar the solar eclipse yeah it kind of like how y'all said like when as soon as they come in like if the vibes off like it kind of throws everything off so she came in asking so how many have you done I was like I was like I can't count them with my hands no more you're not in the tent yeah no more I can't count you in my hands like that's a good thing no I literally had to say that I was like to say that yeah yeah I was like well I was like I don't know I was like I can't count you in my hands hands anymore you know so I was like so tells you I've done more than 10 you're not like one of my first ones I told her how much do you wanna pay I know you should have been I should have been like well how much is your balance right yeah no that was it throughout throughout the whole like process or the service um she was okay she was she was okay after I think she was just like nervous about it and like you know didn't want her to get her face messed up which I understand but yeah and I think like I've I think we I think we all understand like it's a permanent service and one of the things and I think because one of the reasons that we all get really well get along really well is because we all understand that is it's like almost like a sacred service like once you tattoo somebody's face you can't unfuck it yeah exactly what I mean yeah so I think when they come in we already know that they're gonna be nervous and like we try to control the vibe but if you come in and you have like a caca face yeah oh my gosh it throws us like throws us it can throw the vibe off completely yeah yeah that's how you know what messed up bro yeah yeah that's what happened like you don't get you're never gonna be on purpose no no no no over there fucking off do not work on shit right it messes you up it throws you up yeah it sucks and it sucks and I think like I don't know what you wouldn't go into a doctor's office and go like so what's wrong with me like what makes you think that you can come into a service industry and be like so how many eyebrows have you yeah or how's it gonna look yes oh my God yeah like I don't know don't say like I'm nervous because I don't know how it's gonna look like or do you expect them to look bad like what do you expect yeah I'm not gonna give you I'm not gonna give you bad brows yeah yeah and I think two like people have to understand like we literally just met right now and so if you come in with an open mind and you saw my work like you have to have some level of trust so come like you know have you guys noticed the best brows that you do or I think for me the best brows that I do it when people come in and they're like okay so I'm just gonna let you do whatever you want I trust you just do whatever those are the fucking best that's my best work yeah the shape the color the everything yeah they just trust you and it creates that vibe that good vibe yeah you want cause yeah cause you're not second you're not seeing yourself throughout everything you know like when you're showing the shape like you're like oh I know she's gonna like it cause I comfortably like did this you know I created this like we created this together and yeah exactly they still look at them and they're like oh yeah I like these brows and you're like oh good cause this is what I thought for you and it's like oh my God right yeah and even with the color and stuff yeah they come in too like with a good attitude and talkative and all that probably helps a lot yeah it does yes I like when they come in like that yeah me too it's a good time feels like you're there with a friend probably or something exactly we're just talking they're giving me the chisme may or like they feel comfortable enough to open up to me I like when the chisme is going on right there right there with the glass I'm like with the glass juicy right there what's the um hardest thing like in the very beginning you guys think that you've encountered in terms of like the actual work to me probably my timing like mapping and stuff I hated mapping at the beginning I feel like that would take me hours and I thought I was never gonna get better yeah but now luckily I did but at the beginning that was horrible and that's what I told you today like you'll get there just don't stress about it but it's so hard not to stress about it second guess yourself yes yeah most of our students that we've had this with a struggle with is the mapping that map is probably the hardest thing for everybody I feel like the only people that don't have that issue are makeup artist because I've been doing it all this time um and that's it everybody else everybody else struggles yes yeah would you say for you too yes I would say the mapping too something like how you were saying sometimes like I'm in the middle of like you know mapping a client and like I'm already like an hour in and I'm like dude like are they ever gonna be even you know like am I ever am I ever actually gonna start tattooing like it it gets to a point like that you know and a lot of my my clients at the time they're like oh you're really like you have to have patience I'm like I don't know where I'm getting this from like in like my inner self is like trying to like it's like vomiting it's like screaming like everything cause like I'm like when am I gonna start tattooing you know but um yeah eventually like she said you know like we actually then I actually end up to like once I get to the consent form I'm like ah like I can breathe I made it yeah cause like I made it you know like now it's just like the tattooing which is the easier part and but yeah the mapping is the most stressful I think I can see with you guys too being able to like bounce ideas and like ask each other questions oh for sure yeah I'm sure yeah I love that I have her in the room with me because like I'm like literally yeah that's what I do I'm like Vannia can I ask you a question and she'll come and like she just you know so I think it's like really awesome that we share a room yeah well I think like one of my favorite things since you guys came on so I've been on my own like as the kind of like the only person that I can talk to about tattooing is myself forever until you guys come on cause I I talk to you about it I'm glad you guys came on cause I love you you're tired of it I I fucking I don't do the shit but I know too much about it now well yeah and like I can I can like I can tell talk to you about a color but then I have to like back track to all these things and why so when I talk to you guys about color or you know color theory or the pigment or whatever I don't have to be like okay with this pigment this but then I don't have to backtrack like we we have this understanding it's like kind of like trying to like tell somebody like oh the movie I'm watching and then having to like explain everything that happened to get to the plot yeah you don't have to go through all that right the whole story have you ever sat there and watch a movie with somebody and they're watching the same movie with you and they're asking you the same they're asking you questions about the movie when you're watching the same exact thing same exact thing a lot of the time you can just say like oh yeah right I don't know that's crazy like what's he gonna do I don't know what the fuck he's gonna do I don't know what you did anyway I don't know who you're trying to burn but that's actually me I think that's all women I think that's all women you do that too you do that too I do that I do that when I fall asleep and I don't finish watching it that's even worse no yeah that's even yeah and I have to rewatch the whole shit yeah you should you should turn it off if I fall asleep no no I'm too I'm too into how to turn it off yeah like don't put something on if you're not gonna be able to watch it I'm getting fucking old I can't watch a show I'll fall asleep right now what the fuck yeah episode it takes me like four times to watch one episode one episode if I sit there and watch TV I'm out huh yeah it's just true yeah and then why that I won't rewatch it like I know did you rewatch I make you no I read yeah why you rewatch it I sit there and fucking mess with my Kindle oh yeah no so I was saying like one of my favorite things is like being able to talk to you guys um and I feel like even myself have grown as an artist because I can talk things through you know what I'm saying um what do you feel like that you've Learned like in the past for you Vannia like in the past whatever time that you've been there yeah over a year over a year now your last month you're starting to get your year touchups now yeah it's cool like what what's one thing well actually what's one thing that you've Learned now from like seeing your touchups a year that you would change oh my style is completely different right is crazy so you're different yeah like sometimes I think I'm like Dang I wish I had this client where I'm at now like I wish I would have seen her now cause I would have given her some bomb brows not that they were bad but like my skills different yeah yeah I wish that that's the main thing I feel like some clients that I do see I'm like Dang I wish I would have done yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it's cool and I could make changes that I need to do so yeah I'll definitely say like I'm not where I was obviously in the beginning um yeah that's pretty much like my thing where I'm like sometimes I regret which I shouldn't but like sometimes I'll regret like I wish I would have seen you later on like yeah so different now yeah I feel like whenever when somebody tells me like I've been following you for three years or four years and I finally decided to do it I'm like oh God thank God yeah I mean at that time like you should have came in but now I'm like oh my God I'm better now I'm better now I feel like you both have progressed like really really quickly but I think in the beginning when you um so just FYI haha FYI guys no no no we're gonna get a shadow band oh that's right YouTube yeah there's like few words you can't say that's one of them apparently scratch it off producer Matt so one of the things that I've noticed is that I forgot my train of thought I don't know what you said by FYI guys you're gonna say something my bad I threw you off her yeah that's my job is what I do gotta keep you on your toes really is what were you saying what were you saying Vannia the skills not the same we're not work oh no so I was gonna say um like I've been through a lot of pigments and stuff you know and a lot of the times when I was switching pigment I didn't know what I was doing you know like my technique was still good and the color still came back okay but don't you like don't you hate when you the client comes back and you're like oh man I like it's a missed opportunity I could have used this I could use that yeah and it's a technical thing I don't think they see the difference yeah but we see it you know like we can see the undertones in the skin and stuff like that yeah but like what do you do you know well yeah what's a favorite moment that you guys had so far with a client mine was actually recently she was so nervous like super nervous anxious and she told me she's like I'm a very anxious person I'm so nervous you don't know how nervous I am and I could feel it and sense it and then uh her insecurity was her eyebrows um and the way she would draw them on and stuff they never came out the same usual that's why everybody wants to get them tattooed um and then I gave her the shape and I was like this goes with your feature she really liked it I tattooed it and then she was gonna see it and when she saw it she started crying oh like that melted my heart I was like that was the best feeling ever because I knew like that was her insecurity she struggled with that and I made her feel good that you were able to help her yes it was because of me that you know she was satisfied and that made me so happy that was my favorite moment I had never had anybody cry and I almost cried with her like oh my God yeah what about you guys what's been your favorite uh so far I don't think I've had like one specific one like that I don't think I could top that one I think you're still very tense I'm still very tense but I think for me like um kind of like finishing the service and like not having any like type of confrontation that they don't like them immediately okay yeah I think that alone is like kind of like fulfilling for me right now you know like finishing the service and then giving them brows because a lot of them come and like um one they don't know how to draw men or you know they don't they already don't have a lot of hair so I think that is one of the things that's like already fulfilling for me so like my happy moments like just letting them go with like brows at least on their face and I know what I mean I think as a as a beginning artist like you you look at your work right when you're done and you're like oh my God I did so good and then you want them to have that same energy yes you know yeah but a lot of people are just not like that yeah so a lot of the times like they'll look at them and they're like other look at things yes yes and I'm like okay you know and it's like man can you just tell me how awesome they are can you be like I love them and like our sign yeah you know but I think like yeah one that's one of the thing as a new artist like having to be like okay well this is just this person yeah you know like it it doesn't speak to me as an artist like this person just doesn't have like that that personality where they get all crazy or they're gonna cry and shit you know yeah but then they refer somebody you're like really like oh shit she referred me like she was such like a she was so quiet when she came in I didn't think I was gonna ever hear from them again I had that actually right we get tons of referrals tons of most of the clients are not all of them but a lot of them are referrals yeah for everybody and that's the best feeling right as a matter of fact one of my my client just recently she was referred through um the last touch up you had oh yeah yeah yeah she said they work together and something like that oh okay yeah I was like no way that's fucking cool that is fucking cool yeah yeah yeah like the way you like just kind of word of mouth works you know what I mean and I think that's freaking cool that like now me joining your team you know as a junior artist now I'm getting those kinds to you so I think it's fucking badass yeah and I think that speaks to how we work together like as a team yeah you know not saying like we're the best but we are the best we're the best team in San Antonio we are best team in the nation what are you talking about best team in the nation that's right but we all work I think really well as a team and I don't feel like and this is why I think like you know when I brought it up to you like oh um Vannia so Vannia was oh I think that's what I was gonna say so Vannia was yeah that's what I was gonna say guys so you don't know this but remember like two minutes ago yeah you're like so Vannia and Jatziry were both students of mine oh yeah and I usually in my classes so I have classes every six weeks and I have anywhere between you know four to eight students and so I see a lot of people shameless plug right there same as the plug if you want to go to my next class when is it May May 25th May 25th and 26th at Vanidosa beauty studios 1933 Fredericksburg rd. Suite 113 and so a lot of the a lot of the times like I see potential in people you know what I mean and I have like I said like I said every six weeks I see different people and different artists and I see y'all I see a lot of women and there's a lot of potential but it's like it it you can't just be an artistic person you know what I mean like you also have to have a certain commitment to excellence you also have to be on time yeah and and I told you guys like I watch everything like I'm watching to see what time as they come in you know students or whatever and one of the things I'll tell you like if somebody is not on time for class that sets a presedence it sets a presedence yeah I'm not talking shit Jatziry because you were late a couple times no but like like I'm watching the students you know so so automatically I see like oh potential yeah but they're also telling me about their background life and like oh my husband doesn't want me to do this or this and I'm like oh that's gotta be hard when you don't have somebody supporting you it is it is and you know what it sucks but honestly like a lot of the times those people won't push themselves past somebody else's opinion of themselves you know so as I'm watching when I first saw Vannia Vannia was like really quiet and like I think you had like this inner confidence somehow you know like no but like I don't know how to explain it like you were certainly who you are yes you know you know what I was saying yeah actually that's what recently I've been like dissecting you a little bit the more I get picking it up watching everything too well the more like I'm like the more I see you know the more I get to know who you really are and I think that's exactly what what you're saying is exactly what I've been thinking I just suck at putting shit together and putting it into a way yeah like you're like so shy and so like to myself yeah not with the camera though you get it you can't get a bad shot of her up but like I noticed that like you're like super confident in who you are you know like a lot of the times like people can come confused like being weak and like or not weak but being like shy with weakness yeah you know and you're shy but not weak at all like you know what you want and you're like a really assertive person right yeah yeah yeah yeah and I noticed that when you help me and stuff like that you know like I notice because other like you're just not doubtful you know what I mean like you trust yourself and like you know what you're doing are we all gonna cry I know right I don't feel that way about myself I'm so shy and I hate being shy is one of my biggest insecurities yeah same thing because some people point it out like I can't help it that's who I am yeah that's what you want me to do right yeah but that's awesome like how you describe me like yeah sometimes I don't that's crazy cause like you really rarely ever get that combo you know what I mean like a shy person being so like assertive and like sure of herself it's yeah it's fucking cool I like makes me think like oh I could be like that to you know cause I'm also like the person that like self doubts a lot you know so I think it's fucking cool I think I think when Vannia first started she was a little apprehensive too I remember I even we've even talked about that like Vannia Vannia is a certified artist like you come in with the artist with like I'm just here to create my art yeah but you know what I mean so that's something that I noticed in Vannia when she came in like like and I think it comes from like we've said you know like growing up good we're like a good family with love with love like that would love that though yeah so you have like this inner confidence is and it's this is who you are and that's it you know and of course like anytime you take up something new of course you're gonna be um not apprehensive nervous nervous nervous yeah so I of course I noticed and and maybe that um diluted your confidence a little bit but I definitely saw it growing quickly and I'm sure we still you know as an artist you're always gonna have those things where like fuck I could have done this I could yeah oh till this okay yeah I think being part of a team probably helps a lot too because if you're on your own you don't have nobody to like yes to bounce ideas off of nobody to go off of and I felt like that helped me out a lot in the beginning having Claudia there to give me feedback like I would ask her tell me like what I did wrong so I could fix it cause I'm that type of person like I wanna fix what I'm doing wrong yeah and it helped me a lot that I had you like I mean I have the queen of brows like yeah I feel like I'm very lucky to have had you are we I'm lucky yeah cause I have you and then I have you you know so like you're lucky but it's not luck like I literally was watching you know and I've been here for 3 years and they think you came a year ago so it was like 2 years of watching people well we also see the students too cause we offer unlimited shadowing and all that and so many people don't take advantage of that when they have it and like Jatziry the continued like yeah yeah yeah can I shadow can I shadow yeah and she and you watch me and like so um yeah Jatziry has a really so so Vannia you were um a teacher yes before this goes to show you like the beauty industry is like so open here I am like a college dropout a fucking felon buying out with my teacher's degree with her bachelor's over here doing browser not bachelor's and browse and Yatziry was working at a bank yeah you know so we all had like I was gonna say a different job but we did we had like this past life and like it's so cool that we get to do we get to do this like it was in us you know yeah she took the class and then she's like I'm done working and you just quit and just jump so you took the class back in August August yeah and then you quit and I gave myself to the end of the year to like you know like call it like the last month you were not even working my last month yeah my last month I had so much accumulated um sick time and stuff that I had to use or I would lose it and so then that's when I started I was like okay and see that kind of you know goes to show like had I been a different person I would have just used my time to like enjoy being off you know before I got to yeah but now I was like now was the time to get started you know what I mean and while I was still working I would try and come but I worked Saturdays and I know that was like your busiest day yeah at the studio so I wish I would have like shadowed more a lot of the times I would message be like hey when does Claudia have you know clients like when does she have a client at seven PM yeah literally yeah and that's what I thought I don't know when I first like took the class I was like oh like on my time off cause I had a pretty good schedule I was like 8 to 4 so you know I still had enough time um but for some reason are that they're just gonna yeah like our schedules were just so completely off and my days off were Tuesdays which year off on Tuesdays too so I was like oh Tuesdays I could come in all day but no that didn't happen and so yeah I just kind of like I don't know gave myself until the end of the year to like fully like quit my job you know and then like what's a big step you know yeah yeah it was a big decision yeah that is it's a do you regret it at all having that come from that security no no no never I will never regret it that's awesome not even like at my low I mean I don't think that I never got you know at any like lowest you were doing crack like a no no like I thankfully you know I was pretty stable enough to like you know before I took this jump like I knew that it was gonna happen and even then like I still we didn't struggle you know so I would never and then like more than anything like not financially I think um mentally you know like it helped me it that's the way you paid me yeah yeah yeah so so stressed I was just like going through it the whole time you know and like it just wasn't it for me you know and here you're working at the bank yes working at the bank yeah for sure and so here it's allowed me to just be who I really am that's cool yeah and I think that's that's the one thing and like I've tried to dress dress different and I try to do this and that and like ultimately like you get to be whoever you wanna be yeah you know yeah and as long as you're creating good work and like you treat your your clients with respect and stuff I think you couldn't be whoever the fuck you want yeah and I think one of the things that you had a lot going and what I've noticed in successful artist is like Vannia has George and he's really supportive and like and then you have Albert and he's like super supportive dude dude he was like since like I would say honestly three years ago maybe he was already like just quit like find something like let's find you something you know how I do the bottles was like just do this full time and I was like realistically like can I really make this you know a living out of this and then um I had taken a break from work cause my DOCA had expired so I needed a I needed to wait for it to come in and so I had like a month or two off so I was doing good for those two months but then I mean it wasn't sustainable right you know what I mean and so then I went back to work went back to that like routine of being like a corporate employee and then um when I told him about the brows I was like um you know I'm thinking about taking the course but he was like do it like do it he never once told me like think about yeah like think about how are we gonna pay bills or how are we gonna do this you know he was just like doing no he was always pushing you for it right yeah like anyway he was almost like pushing me and I'd be the one that'd be like no like put the brakes on you know like I can't do this because of whatever and then he got he's always been like if I tell him right now like hey I'm thinking of doing this he'll be like do it so like never want to hold back like those interviews you were doing the brows on the streets or something yeah he pushed you to do that he pushed me yeah until his day he's like we need to do another one and I'm like you should do it I think they were so cool dude yeah Aubrey had you frolicking in the field literally yeah and you know how that happened um I was already like cause we had seen so many people there wasn't much people at the Pearl whoever knows the Pearl um knows that it's popping on the weekends but this was in a weekend it was like a think or Tuesday or something like that um so there was only like a few people here and there and you I was scouting to see who I could approach mind you I was like really nervous and then two like not seeing the right people you know or like not seeing the right yeah the right save for it for it yeah um we were I was already like we we were getting frustrated I was getting really frustrated cause he was like just go just do it and I was like what am I gonna say like comment and approach like hey can I talk to you like me I don't know it just wasn't coming natural to me and so then we're already like on our way to walk to the car and I see two girls come and it looked like it was mom and daughter right and then they're like no more friends we're the same age no the mom looked really good she did that's why I was like I don't know if it was mom and daughter but you could tell that they were and we had made eye contact really briefly and then I looked away cause I was like oh shit like they saw me so they were about to ask him on a date or something I did literally that's how it felt and then I was like oh my God like no no I was like I was just telling him like let's just go like I can do this and then as we got closer to them that's when I was like I don't know something in me just like did it you like I'm gonna do it I didn't think about it I just did it and then yeah it turned out really great and then I he had the video edited he sent it to me I had it for like about a month and then I cause I didn't wanna post it I was like you had it for a month yeah no way yeah I had it for a month like not posting it and stuff like that and it was just this random day um I'd have anything to post and I was like I'm just gonna post it I'm just gonna post it I was like I don't care like who's gonna see this like my three followers that I have you know what I mean it's still getting you know stuck in attraction right now I know yeah and immediately when I posted it I had a volleyball game that day and so I didn't see my phone immediately after I posted it literally posted it on my way to the game and then put my phone away cause by the time I got there was already game time and then when I finished the game that's when I saw like all of you're like you know all the notification yeah yeah and I was like oh shit I was like I told I was like my videos doing really good he's like I told you he's like I told you and then I was like oh shit like had I posted I don't know like everything just kind of weird you know place and then yeah just a background guys um Albert is a videographer and this is like in a Youtuber with big following so this is literally like his job yeah so the fact that he like did that for you and he pulled away from other jobs and stuff yeah and so what you Roundy and I always talk about is like we when we're friending somebody or like a person or whatever like we always kind of look to see what the what the value is like was like dude cause you don't come if unless you if you have a partner you don't come as just you you know what I mean yeah you have back support and you have to everybody has the vibe yeah for sure yeah I felt like you definitely have to have somebody in your corner yeah to you know continue to push because then right like that's how you'll know you'll get your full potential in doing whatever you're doing because if not then like you're always gonna have that person holding you back yeah yeah and I think like one of the things that I've noticed is like I told you guys like I would see um girls in my classes and they had potential but they're getting calls from their husband and like where are you what time are you gonna be done one time I had um uh I was teaching a class and the husband came coming in and out I was like what the fuck remember I was like who the fuck is coming in and out and then she finally had to stop class she's like oh it's my husband and like he was waiting outside for her like how how fucking long and I was like dude that's like a fucking lot you're never gonna get anywhere the whole day like the whole fucking day remember yeah I remember so I think she left earlier so it turned into a thing oh sure yeah and I was like okay well I'm not watching you but you know what I'm saying yeah so there was like um even if she had potential like you always have to have that person if whoever that might be yeah like they have to have your back or it's just not gonna work yeah it's not gonna work yeah and what did um George say when you when you started Vannia he was super supportive like even in the beginning yeah even when I like quit teaching he was like just do it like but before you came with those us you were working at another place weren't you as an esthetician at a hair salon as an esthetician yeah but it was a totally different vibe there because it was hair yeah yeah compared to us it's like specifically this is our specialty yeah and I knew like leaving the hair salon like I I knew I wanted to take that step up like I wanted to do more for myself and powder brows was the next thing to me cause I didn't wanna be just an aesthetician so that's when I was like no I'm gonna take her class especially cause I had already briefly like met you yeah through jazzy so at Jazzy Berry yes she's the best she's the best she makes really good treats yes so many people come in our in our orbit from jazz and them yeah yeah she knows a lot of people yeah it's crazy yeah yeah the crazy it's crazy that she's from Oxnard too you know and we kind of just randomly met them out here yeah so so Jazzy Jazzy Berry with really good treats um she I think she had we were at a party right for the baby's like birthday or something yeah something for her and then you and George were there and then that's how we met briefly we talked a little bit and she was an aesthetician at that point and I had already we had only been here a year I think I don't know at that point um and then another year went by and then you took that's when I took the class yeah I'm gonna do this like this is my sign and I was like oh shit Vannia from like that year ago when I met yeah we had seen each other a couple times yeah what made you take our class um we'll just seeing Claudia's work and like kind of like meeting her already in the way like I knew her vibe and stuff and I got along with her like good when I talked to her so I was like no I'm in good hands like I know like it's gonna be good and I remember even my sister in law way before I met you she had sent me your class uh she was like no my sister my other sister in law uh she has sent me your class and she was like she's from California but she also teaches here I don't know what the deal was but like yeah at the beginning like back and forth right yeah yeah and she had sent it to me and I was like okay like I saved it and then when it came down to it I was like you know what I'm just gonna do it and that's when I just signed up and yeah that's cool when did you cause I know after after you left uh teaching you went to right into esthetician school right literally and then after that you went to the salon and after that you came with us yeah what was like the breaking point at the school or did you just was it like a constant like I don't want to do this no honestly it wasn't even the kids it was a parent it was a parent you have to deal with the parents the your co workers and then the kids but the kids were not bad it was drop kicking kids no it was it was yeah no thank god I had good kids it was third grade so they were fine but it was just like the work that came with it the stress I literally felt like a slave towards the end cause they knew I was leaving and they would make me do a lot of stuff I remember turning in that last assignment that they wanted me to do and I was like I'm dying I'm never gonna be back so what school was this not far from here so really what was the principal's name oh that principal oh my gosh alright let's hear I got stories for days no no yeah it was just stress after stress crying every day like no it was just not I knew I did not wanna be there forever so I was like nah right now I can't I don't have kids at the support of my family like I remember I told my mom I was like I'm quitting and she was like are you sure like do you know what you're gonna do like you know mom's yeah yeah she was worried to make sure and then I was like yeah like I just don't wanna do this anymore like I'm telling you like this is not for me and she was like well as long as you have a plan we'll support you no matter what I don't but apparently that's what that's what coming from a good family gets you yeah right of course yes and I feel like that helped me a lot honestly having the support of my parents and George because if not I would have just been doubting myself and I probably wouldn't have gone to school yeah um and they were like we'll help you like we'll help you pay for it like they helped me out so much um so I think that's what really like boosted me cause I knew I wanted to do something in the beauty industry and when I originally signed up for school I signed up for lashes only oh and then once I was there I was like no not too much patient that's too much patience and I was like no I wanna do everything so I switched over to the aesthetician program and then yeah I finished school it was honestly a breeze like I went full time I would put in my 40 hour 40 hours a week yeah kind of like towards the end of the week okay yeah so it was like online and like in person I would I was always the only one there honestly everybody else would do it in like on the computer it was always me and another girl so it was like yeah that's cool and I feel like George is so like open come okay yeah that's cool like all over yeah that's just who he is we're literally complete opposites but it works out for us yeah yeah and y'all have met him like everybody loves George everybody loves him you cannot like the guy yeah yeah and I was everybody like this is my life like this is life with George like it's fun it's fucking funny man I wish every client had George's vibe think like think about it if they all came in like that right like just fucking do it I'm like okay bet yeah yeah that yeah and I feel like what going back to her saying like that is what I think I saw in Vannia like your confidence and against probably coming from a Good Family shout out to your mom your wife we're gonna run away together oh my God oh my God oh man her cakes she won me over with the cakes man I'm a fat kid and she makes some bomb ass cakes she don't know yet but I'm in love with her I I really like that drive that you had you know cause you kept coming in and I think one of the things um and I and I I told you this like yesterday he just says what's on her mind and sometimes I was like I okay you know I was like oh my God I come from a good place I promise I don't know but you know the fact that you're just like you just say there's no deception right there there's no deception right and if there is I usually fill it out and I didn't feel that with you so like you literally say you know and I would be like thinking you say and I would be like esta que like oh my God kind of like out of pocket no no no not even you just say it you just say it right and for me I was like but you know I know that I can trust that yes and I know that I can trust it you know what's so funny that like I could I guess I could kind of sense that you know that like I would leave the studio be like I know said like or what like I guess we kind of both felt the vibes you know what I mean like the vibes I would leave and then the the vibes I would get back I would say I would say shit and you're like are you being what did you say that one time are you being sarcastic I have no sense of like when you don't pick up on me I'm very gullible yeah I'm a super gullible person all my life yeah yeah dude honestly like you could tell me the world's ending right now to be like for real yeah yeah like really like my kid bully me to the end of the day you just fucking remember that time at the fuckin I was fucking dying the time at the the comedy club uh huh like oh no he's my my friends tio oh my god yes and he says it in a way we're like you just believe it like he says it like like a true truth was a matter of fact when I first met George he told me he was de piso oh that he does floor remember I told you and you were like no he works at a tire shop yeah like I could have sworn he said tile yeah yeah and now I know yeah that's what I sound like I'm not gonna believe anything he comes out of his mouth anymore only when he does your vows yeah after that I remember like when we were at the comedy club after he said that and we found out like he was just fucking liar I really thought it was his tio too now I just look at Vannia like it's like I don't believe it sometimes I don't even know like are you being for real like tell me right now like is it for real and then he still get you yes sometimes but I pick up more on it now like of course like in everybody's listening is gonna be wondering who George is the last time we went to we went to go to dinner and I thought it was so fucking funny we went to dinner and then um they gave him a notebook like that was so random that was and they're like oh right whatever and I don't even know what people what they expect to write yeah but wrote wrote in quotation marks he wrote no and then next to it he wrote Rosa Park that's so random like it's okay but it's just funny but it's so random I'm like how do you come up with these things and he's like I don't know I just he just says but see you know what that reminds me of a lot of Jatziry because that Jatziry just says things like but you say what you think I'm not even saying like you're saying it to be whatever yeah but you just say things and I can trust that yeah you know what I mean so they were the primero but you know it's like I was telling Round like sometimes I'm like hiacity but then it's like I can trust I can trust what you say because you don't say with deception yeah and like you just say what you think and I don't like having fucking fake people around me or people that always feel like they have to kiss your ass yeah you know what I mean yeah or people that are always like they have this let me tell let me say this so that she feels a certain way yeah what you wanna hear right right yeah yeah but with you like I feel like we can have like an honest conversation about anything and like we're both say what we really think like I'm giving you my my point of view right yeah and if that's not what is your point of view at least I give you my yeah straight and yeah yeah I'm not trying to like be liked you know like if you're gonna like me you're gonna like me for who I am and and I guess that's how I am you are yeah and we both know it yeah just straight up if you just talk yeah yeah and see I see that I that's why I see like I see the it's it's confidence but it's different type of confidence for both of you yeah I feel like when people see me like they think I like you can tell you know oh yeah but with Vannia like I feel like it's a very um confidence in who you are and with Jatziry I feel like your confidence is in in how do I say in who I am but in who you are but in a different way yeah like you are confident in yourself so that you don't have to be deceitful yeah you can just be yes and and being being in that state is very hard for people you know why because I generally think that like I never come from a bad place like I would never mean to like hurt or harm people you know like I think that's why like not to toot my heart but I really do and I feel like a lot of people could take advantage of that you know so it can be like good and bad but I think that's what you're trying to say you know like I'm confident in that manner because I know for a fact that like I'm never trying to like cause drama I'm not trying to like or be a meanie be a bit exactly yeah like no that's never gonna be mean so I think you just like kind of like it's funny right like when we have conversations we're always like kind of like breaking shit down and like we're like getting to the bottom of it yeah without even you have like a very curious mind at the same time you do oh yeah oh yeah I do ask a lot of questions do you change from vicious brows to noble brows it's more fitting I probably am gonna do it right but I always do feel like you like you both of you come from a right from like a good place yeah you know like with Vannia like I'll tell her like cause I sometimes I can kind of kind of come off mean what you you know guys I know or I can let my spicyness get ahead of me you know so like I always have to have that double check so I was Vannia is this mean I said this this in Vannia will tell me like straight out and so I trust I trust your judgment yeah you know what I mean and with you I feel like I get the I get like what you really really think the rawness us too yeah yeah yeah so I think that's why we fit guys I think that's fucking badass our best team is a good team it's gonna be fun in California to watch we're taking a California trip here soon yeah oh yeah and actually Vannia is gonna be working in California I'm so excited we're gonna go see clients out there they're gonna be cool we're doing a whole team trip we're gonna drive up the coast it's gonna be badass it's gonna be cool days yeah I'm excited we're gonna drive up the coast for a few days all of us all the hubbys everybody yeah just a team trip it's a ride up for the IRS for real what do you guys like um what what's of your favorite thing about working with like um other women cause I know it's hard and I don't I don't mean just us yeah not between us but like always constantly being around women it's fucking horrible yeah well we know what you think you like it it's not that bad it's actually I can tell when you're over cause you're just like you're room door I'll just disappear in my fucking office and close the door yeah when that happens and I have to go knock I know I'm like fuck the door is closed am I interrupted sometimes I just close it because I'm editing stuff you don't want to hear no background noise yeah sure Round we'll go with that I have my fill of chisme for the day so I'm just like okay I've had two chismes's for today yeah I'm done it wasn't that juicy is not worth listening it's not that good what about you guys what is like your favorite thing about working around a bunch of women like our clients yeah um when I say what's your the worst thing you're like let me tell you she had no hesitation there I would say like working with women coming from I was a waitress way before this I was a waitress I like I worked with women it was simple Ambedia the jealousy and all of that and here in us our space we don't have that yeah I'll go and tell you like we're always rooting each other yeah yeah yeah like fucking proud of each other you know what I mean and like I feel it like vice versa so I think that alone is like my favorite thing cause it's fucking hard to get that yeah especially that girls girls here are mean yes they are mean they are they are mean and it's not like that they're mean it's just that they like they cannot see you be better than them because they immediately want something to like oh I can do that or like bring you down you know what I mean and it's like for what like I feel like we don't there's none of that vibe here exactly like we're all one yes and I love that yeah that boosts my confidence honestly like knowing that we're all the same and we're all helping each other dude yeah I go home to outward and like oh my God are we crying again yeah like this is what it's like too much estrogen no you know what I think for women from a man's perspective yeah I think women are very demanding yeah and expect the world to bend to their to their whims of course you would say that are you talking about me or women I think women go in like to restaurants and stuff and like this is how I want it this is the way I want it and expect it like that you know I don't think it's a bad thing but I think that's one of the things women bring to the table the what the excellence just because we know what we want yeah no I know what you mean it can get like pretty demanding and it also like the way you approach it right I think yeah there's ways um and then as first clients um honestly it's like I told you before as long as I don't have no mean ones I'm okay I know I'll cry you're gonna get some mean ones yeah I know I've I've dealt with everybody I've dealt with so much shit like I've almost gotten in fights at the studio like I cuss people out you know like me and Misty we were gonna get in a fight with a couple clients like oh yeah it was it was a lot of fun I think the advantage was Vannia you you don't deal with the clients like messaging and stuff like that booking so you kind of have a shield between that but Jatziry helping us with the messaging and stuff so she gets to see some of that you know what I mean and people can be straight out mean but who kind of like the message the ones that only like talk shit through texting yeah but then they show up and then it's a different story and that's my fucking thing and I've had a few of those and well I've every now and then I get those and then they're not very often but they and it's something like they didn't and it always goes back to them right if you guys have noticed and what you'll see is what we just talked about a lot of the times when people come in and they don't let us decide on color they don't let us decide on um the the shape I understand the shape I understand because you're gonna wear these but let us at the very least choose a choose a color and the technique and so when they don't do that those are the first fucking people to complain no you know what I've seen too is like you'll be done they're like oh you're missing one little spot right here and you talk yeah let it see it and come back and then they refuse to and you end up doing it and then they end up bitching about it later yeah yeah and so that's what I'm saying so those people get all tough on the phone on the phone on the text on the phone on text on DMS they get all tough and then they come in and they're like oh no no what do you think I'm like well you're the one that was fucking talking all this shit like what I'm not fucking thinking nothing and I understand it because you don't want to look at certain way it's on your face but honestly like nobody knows but you like trust the process yeah when I hold a lot of people don't trust they don't well there's a reason to their paying you and going to you they're coming to you cause you're the expert and it's like cause they saw your work right and they they like what they see that's all you can give them you know like it's not like you can show them what it's gonna look as far as that color now that you're saying it like with my clients I'm like how do I explain color to you you know cause it's not like they know the brand they don't know what they're all composed of so like how do you explain color you just kind of like have to tell them like I'm gonna give you something natural you know whatever it is so it's fucking hard like when they're like coming here demanding also I think there's a way that they like if it was that were to be the case I feel like there's a way that they can come and approach like hey like maybe I think shape is a little bit off yeah you know what I mean or something you know but the way they approach human yeah be nice be nice about it be polite about it either way I'm the artist so I can fuck him up but I feel like I feel like a lot of these times it's just educating your client yeah and so I tried to educate my client to a certain extent like I'm not gonna talk about like all this this color is 7 7 2 6 6 in this car I'm not gonna go into that molecules in the molecule size and all that so usually what I say is like I'll put it in simpler terms like you know how when they want something light brown and they're like you know like a deeper under a deeper color their skin is a they have more melanin right yeah so I usually like try to educate them in the simplest way oh possible but I feel in what I've noticed is that educating your client about postcare educating your clients about how this thing that you're gonna go through after your get your browser is completely normal that is the best thing that you could do for your client and for yourself yeah you know cause one of the things that you don't wanna get and and it happens you know a lot of the times people just wear want reassurance and yeah and I I have to remind myself that cause I'm like I fucking told you you're gonna peel you know we should fucking told you you're gonna peel I just came up we should make a video that we could send them after the week Mark you're going through the Peeling this and that this is a good idea we should start doing that setting it up and it'll be all three of us we can be like we're going and we cannot see it through the peeling thing you guys can have a video and we send it to your client you know it's specific yeah to your clients yeah I feel like sometimes we're explaining aftercare there yeah yeah they're so in love with their brows yeah they've been there laying down for like 2 3 hours they're like they're ready yeah you two were in the Instagram and TikTok age nobody reads anymore so you give them the papers in there to read them so yeah I think videos probably a good idea to do so we're gonna be making videos to do list put it yeah pin it up yeah it's on my sticky note already where your where your business cards are where they at nobody nobody gave me a that week that you and I talked which was two weeks before you actually started no uh huh I told him about the business no she told me about the logo your signature logo and then the business cards and I spaced on the business cards and I did the logo but to my to my defense I got like a million things going on Jatziry got a peek behind the cutain right yeah yeah I was in the back end of the business no those busy days are are hectic like I it's definitely something you have to be like present there like mentally you know what I mean like um you can't come and like be fucking around in your mind you know what I mean like sometimes you can come and like you can have conversations and shit like that no but like I feel with this like you have to definitely like be there because you're having like five to 10 conversations all at once it's crazy right yeah about a bunch of different dates yes yes and it's the same questions over and over it's repetitive yet different you know what I mean like you're yeah there it's the same topic but it's at different points of the conversation for example we started off like have your brows ever been tattooed and microbladed right and then conversation moves on to like okay when would you like to see who would you like to book with you know so it's a lot it's definitely a lot you have to be personal with that person like make it personal to them yes you know what I mean yeah and on top of that I got Claudia throwing me a million different things construction going and video editing so no I want a snack afterwards you got my blanket and a pillow please no but seriously the back end is a lot of work the back end is a lot of work I feel like I could not do it you guys do like measure the message I'm good honestly I've said this a million times so I was a construction before I started doing this I get way more tired being on the computer and even with the messages and I see it I get I get wiped out by the end of the day you look drained yeah yeah like that one time that he didn't wanna go right you just drained yeah but like not trying to peer pressure me going on I was like on my birthday he's being such a dad we get it we get it I was the bad guy no I give you props for how well you held down you know like you're like no I'm not going and that was it and no you didn't go and that was good it was good I wouldn't be no fun going out that night yeah there you know you get a few drinks and you no matter what I was fucking tired you were you were but I noticed it like that day like not even at the dinner like that day you were just kind of out of it and it was a Saturday it's already towards the end of our week right so yeah and it was past our bedtime yeah I'm in bed early like we're gonna drink we're gonna start drinking at three thirty PM

your ten PM is not 3: 54:01

30 I thought we're just going for dinner if I know we're going out I gotta prep you know take some vitamins hydrate before we hydrate it's a whole thing now yeah it's a whole process yeah well we're going to a comedy club next weekend so I know I'm excited I've never I've never been to any no oh it's gonna be a first comedy club so we've been me and Claudia been trying to do a lot of team stuff with everybody we've been trying to get all you guys involved in like yeah doing that team outing stuff I think it builds like a culture you know what I mean oh for sure yeah that way we don't just see that's work you know what I mean well my thing my thing has always been like I wanna be in a place where I I like being I like the people I'm around and you know um so for me it's like we all have the same goal for the business yeah so you know like a family yeah yeah yeah and so we all work together for the same goal and we all grow together and we all grow together so like what I what I've been telling you guys is like I with what I've done with my experience and being in doing this for like 14 years I wanna build us the next step so we can all move up yeah yeah you know cause like I feel like at this point just being alone and like moving yourself up it's like it's it's kind of boring boring you know like you're like what next yeah what the fuck is the point like if you can't see it for me the best way that I can see growth is in what I invest in for me my time and the efforts that I've made I've invested in you guys yeah and expanding right yeah yeah doing what you did expand in expanding yes but to me what's what's more important than that in expanding yes of course but for me part of that expanding is putting my knowledge and pouring it into something yeah and into you guys and so when you guys see when I see like Vannia that says really proud of her brows and when you're like dude I didn't do that bad that for me that for me is assertion that I've done something right yeah you know and it's it's like it's like and I'm not trying to take away from what you guys done you guys have this natural talent yeah yeah yeah but the fact that you guys are moving so fast and the fact that I always tell Vannia like you're where I was fucking three years ago yeah you know what I mean yeah and you will get there too yeah and in the fact that you can do that to me is like even if I hope that helped a little bit that's a lot yeah even if it's a little bit though like I feel like that that for me fills my cup yeah yeah yeah are we crying yeah yeah we all get to grow together in this like I remember Jatziry when you first came on your little apprehensive well if I go on there it's like working for another company do I get to be myself it must have been hard yeah but we don't want to hold you back from you expanding your own self on your own yeah you know and that's that's actually now I was thinking about it when you told me you're like you're kind of little I was like wait really but I think now I see what you mean it's just like coming from working for someone you know for so long being like you're in this other like mindspace you know what I mean like I was in the mentality of just being like a corporate employee just like going working coming home getting a paycheck and that was it you know like I didn't feel like I could do much more for myself and so then coming into here I had like what however long I was like on my own basically um I started liking that you know and I could see like me building something like this but now I mean I'm like never mind I don't wanna be on my own um and then coming joining the team you know I was like oh shit like am I gonna am I back to where I was at right yeah you know but I'm definitely not no no no because I'm still like myself within a team yeah yeah no and we want you to elevate yourself too if when we elevate it elevates all of us exactly which one as individual everyone wins exactly yeah I know there's some places that try holding the girls back in yes the business you know they wanna be the in the front exactly yeah we we like you guys being in the front to me like who that shit doesn't matter like I don't need to be seen as the all end all you know what I mean yeah like I rather I feel like if everybody sees me as like the end all and Claudia I tell you this then I I failed as a leader yeah you know I think like if it's like oh the girls at then then I've done something yeah but if it's like Claudia Claudia Claudia then I fucking failed cause I couldn't bring anybody with me yeah you couldn't bring them up and if you guys did decide to leave and do your own thing and open your suit we'd be proud we'd be proud of you guys we'd be happy but no we're not but I like you but that's it's essentially want you guys to grow we're not we're not here to like hold you guys back at all you know I love that because a lot of the you know people that start like that that's how it is you know there's a leader and then there's just the people that follow the little ducks and here I can I mean being with y'all like not even a whole month you know full month like I feel that I go home and I look yeah it's pretty cool it is getting right yeah compared to where we were now like I'm part of something not just here but we're all world together yeah you know yeah and the only difference I think be the only difference between myself and each other is that like you guys have given me room thank you but you guys have giving me space to grow to to grow us yeah you know so I feel like okay let me build the next step for us and then we all move up yeah and so then that's that's my job yeah my job now is to grow all of us to to take the next step and grow all of us so that we can all grow it's like a pyramid yeah we go up a step we bring them up the next step upstair yeah yeah that's how we get and I feel like a lot of places are not like that like we're so lucky like I just wanna say thank you thank you for like taking a chance on me on us for being part of the team it's a big thing like I get to wake up and like I love going to work it's like a dread like I I look forward to going to work like I love being around you guys I see you as like my big sister like it's it's just pretty nice no no no yeah no it's a it's a good feeling like it makes me so happy like yeah I'm happy with my life right now I can say that yeah like I love my life you just bought a house yes everything's fine as a place yes in a couple a couple years she's gonna have her first baby yes so if it just feels like you're doing life right yeah yeah that's what I'm saying like if we all build this together like if it comes to a time where anyone anyone any one of us is miserable then like we failed somewhere we all did yeah I think I think the culture that we're building all of us together is is fucking awesome I think it's cool it is yeah it is cool and I think in the past like we've we've had other people and I and I've told you you know like I was like I don't think this is gonna work out I felt it yeah from the beginning yeah from the beginning when we've had other people in California too and like I I felt it and I feel right like I feel I feel really like we're moving in the right direction right like we're paving the road to something big yeah that's what excites me a lot yeah and you know what like specially like as we move up I hope that that you guys can pave that same role for somebody else in whatever case that may be whether we um we open up a studios suite studios or whether we open up the esthetician school I'm excited for that one yeah like whatever it is in pouring ourselves into something else so that we can bring somebody else away you can grow without a team you know yeah this is a is a team sport yeah and if you don't have a team or a culture around you you're not gonna grow you're not gonna build yeah that's what's anything right yeah yeah you for sure like when you when you have a business like you can't be the whole you know like you kind of beginning but then eventually you if you wanna grow and so yeah like I said I like it's so boring just being by yourself yeah you know yeah it's boring yeah cause you create these things and then like then where does it go it just stays in you but if you if you give it away then you're creating something else yeah you know and that's that's that's fun for me like the the growth part yeah and watching you guys grow and like do good work like fuck yeah dude it feels good it does right yeah it does so that's great we're all cried out I swear I'm not crying yeah it's okay around it's okay you can cry when we leave the room I'll cry later in my office I will you will it's okay alright guys so I think that's it that's all we have for today I hope you guys enjoy the conversation that we all had um again it's really I think for me it's really important that when you grow you grow with other people otherwise like what the fuck is the point I think if you have a spot or a space try to build a culture get the people around you a team and try to build a and get the right people yeah I feel like you have to feel it get the right people yeah right don't be a gatekeeper either yeah don't ever go as a gatekeeper no you don't and it doesn't matter what you give away because you're still you and you'll still have clients and like seeing yourself a competition and with everybody is yeah like not it you guys have any anything you want to say or any shout outs shout out to George brows noble brows haha maybe positive brows on Instagram alright guys so that's all we have